Question:
What Is the Advantage if any of a Lightweight Frame?
librazone1948
2009-04-10 07:15:45 UTC
I am trying to choose between a Schwinn Mensa which is a lightweight frame and a Raleigh Matterhorn which is steel. Personally I am leery of the lightweight frames because the strength only comes from the geometry of the tubing and not from inherent strength of the material. Do the lightweights really stand up over time.
Four answers:
t_etim
2009-04-10 07:31:03 UTC
Depends on the material of the "lightweight" frame. I am assuming you are talking about Aluminium as this is the most common due to cost/easy of manufacture.



Double/triple butted Alu frames do last for a reasonable long time. Should be in top condition for at least 6 years of daily use.



From a maintenance viewpoint, Alu frames will crack/break on impact and so tend not to be repairable from an accident. Steel will "give", and so can be repaired. The ride of steel will also be more comfy because of said "flex". On the otherside, Alu does not rust over time, and is easier to clean as you do not worry about "treating" the frame after repeated washing in order to prevent rust.
terrier_james
2009-04-10 08:59:42 UTC
I'm not sure where you heard that the strength only comes from the geometry of the tubing and not from the inherent strength of the material. Were this true then would could all be riding plastic framed bikes!



Let's discuss "strength". With bike frames, there's several important considerations. These are:



1. The tensile strength of the tubing, i.e. at what point it deforms or breaks

2. It's resistance to corrosion, i.e. does it oxidise or rust

3. Elastic modulus, i.e. the stiffness of the frame

4. Fatigue limit, i.e. the cyclical stress from pedaling or bumps



These are all inherent material characteristics, and are not related to the geometry.



Now let's look at the materials commonly used in bike frame manufacture.



Steel frames (i.e. Reynolds, True Temper, Columbus, Tange) have the highest density, and the highest tensile strength. It also has a high fatigue limit. This makes them (in general) the heaviest of the frame materials, but the strongest. This still has nothing to do with geometry. However, steel rusts like a 1980s Ford Fiesta at the seaside if not looked after.



Aluminum frames (typically 6061 or 7005 alloys) have a lower density to steel, and a lower tensile strength, but a higher strength to weight ratio. This means that an aluminum frame will usually weigh less and still be reasonably strong, but not as strong as a steel frame. The other advantage to an aluminum frame is it's optimal wall thickness, which allows aluminum frames to be oversized with thin walls, creating a frame that is very stiff. Aluminum doesn't rust. Traditionally, aluminum has a lower fatigue limit than both steel and aluminum, but this isn't always the case these days.



Titanium frames have are the best compromise of tensile strength, density and strength to weight ratio, but usually phenomenally expensive. The metal itself isn't particularly expensive, but machining it and working with it is. Titanium has half the density of steel, but has a much closer tensile strength, making it an ideal lightweight bike tubing, and is still seen by most as the ultimate material. Titanium doesn't rust and doesn't need to be painted.



Carbon fibre has an extremely low density, but can be formed and shaped and reinforced with extra layers in areas where stress is applied (i.e. the bottom bracket area). Under normal cycling circumstances, the tensile strength of a carbon frame is very good, as the frame has been designed to withstand stress of cycling by the way the carbon has been laid up. However, it's impact resistance is poor, as a crash can crack or even snap a carbon frame.



Now let's discuss geometry. The geometry of a frame determines a rider's position on the bike and the intended usage. Hence a road bike geometry makes for a more low profile position, whereas a mountain bike makes for a more upright position and compensates for the travel length of suspension forks. The geometry of the frame is not the deciding factor in the strength of a frame as most frames have the same double triangle design anyway.



I'm assuming you live in the US or Canada, because I can't find either of the bikes you mention, so I don't know if they are road or mountain bikes. Either way, bike frames these days are designed to stand up to abuse. We live in an extremely litigious society, and if bike frames were failing left right and centre then the manufacturers would go bust because they'd be sued all the time. However, let's be sensible. If you weighed 400lbs it would be a bad idea to buy a carbon fibre race frame.



My daily road bike frame is a Burls titanium frame, which ways about 2.5lbs. This makes it lighter than all but the most exotic steel frame, most aluminum frames and some carbon frames, but it is extremely strong and reasonably stiff. I wouldn't swap it for even the best steel or aluminum frame, and I trust it to haul my 252lb body over some of the worst roads in Europe, so I would say your lack of trust of lightweight frames is misplaced. A well designed, well made lightweight frame is as good if not better than a heavier steel frame.



I hope this helps!
Mtrlpqbiker
2009-04-10 07:52:37 UTC
Of the 2 bikes, the Schwinn has a better set on components. In terms of frame material, aluminum alloy is widely used for bikes, if properly engineered, will last many years. I have friends who have owned lightweight aluminum frame road bikes for years and done many tens of thousands of kilometers on them with no problems whatsoever. It is not the frame material that determines strength, it is the quality of construction and design. Aluminum frames use more material than steel frames to achieve the required strength, but since aluminum alloys are so much lighter than steel, frames can be made lighter while still remaining strong enough. I would rather have a good aluminum frame than a cheap steel frame if I wanted my bike to stand up. Any frame material can fail if it is not well made
kill ur trump
2009-04-10 11:19:56 UTC
who told you the mensa was a lightweight frame it's a low end frame! i would take the matterhorn steel over the schwinn. you won't get lightweight frames on bikes sold at walmart or canadian tire. spend 1000.00 on a hardtail then your getting lighter with quality material and workmanship. the mensa is a cheap alu/alloy frame. light steel is reynolds 853, light alu/alloy is giant atx. lightweight frames are classed as frames sub3lb. for feel, longevity highend steel frame and Ti frames. but you are lookin at lower end mtn bikes.


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